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Well done! Thank you! I only found one mistake: mapList.append burning_sands gpm_coop 16 ^was still present in the new file, but was noted in the RemoveThese file. No biggie, I deleted it and it looks good to go. Here's the new (shortened) VG Seeder/Starter map list file for review/discussion - if everything looks good, I'll make it live tomorrow: mapList.append albasrah_2 gpm_coop 64 mapList.append assault_on_grozny gpm_coop 64 mapList.append bamyan gpm_coop 32 mapList.append bamyan gpm_coop 64 mapList.append black_gold gpm_coop 64 mapList.append burning_sands gpm_coop 64 mapList.append fallujah_west gpm_coop 64 mapList.append gaza_2 gpm_coop 16 mapList.append jabal gpm_coop 32 mapList.append jabal gpm_coop 64 mapList.append karbala gpm_coop 32 mapList.append karbala gpm_coop 64 mapList.append kashan_desert gpm_coop 32 mapList.append kashan_desert gpm_coop 64 mapList.append kashan_desert gpm_coop 128 mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 32 mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 64 mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 128 mapList.append lashkar_valley gpm_coop 16 mapList.append muttrah_city_2 gpm_coop 16 mapList.append muttrah_city_2 gpm_coop 32 mapList.append muttrah_city_2 gpm_coop 64 mapList.append muttrah_city_2 gpm_coop 128 mapList.append operation_archer gpm_coop 64 mapList.append operation_marlin gpm_coop 16 mapList.append operation_marlin gpm_coop 32 mapList.append operation_marlin gpm_coop 64 mapList.append pavlovsk_bay gpm_coop 32 mapList.append pavlovsk_bay gpm_coop 64 mapList.append qwai1 gpm_coop 64 mapList.append ramiel gpm_coop 32 mapList.append sbeneh_outskirts gpm_coop 32 mapList.append silent_eagle gpm_coop 64 mapList.append vadso_city gpm_coop 128 u rock, Cap'n Hawk!

Cool man! Thanks!

It's a server license thing holding us back from doing crazy stuff on the normal day-to-day public server. If game modes such as that get hard-coded into the maps that release with an Update, we are free to run them ... but as for the custom stuff, we gotta stick with the meat and potatoes vanilla standard when we roll without a password. Second thing to note is that people aren't so responsive to "schoolyard rules" style where gameplay concepts are called out and not hard coded; you'll get your regulars and those paying attention to fall in line, but the rest (and those joining mid-mission) will be like herding cats, don't you think?

I hate to be the one to pour water on your well thought out idea, but... It has come up in one form or another in the past, and for the same good reasons, we choose to keep it at one VG PR Public server (the one that is going on now). And, no, it's not an issue of cost - you are correct in assuming that. Points that have come up in the past include leaving the "normal server" without good players to hold up the bad; also the better players are there to teach and set examples by actions, and to monitor good gameplay and encourage acceptable in-game behavior. Splitting the player base in any way can be treacherous waters. They NEED players like you there, and the others, too. Imagine the chaos and disorder if 16 of the most well traveled players were elsewhere? Sad, but true. We gotta keep it fresh enough to stay interesting, and I know Double is working on different ideas for COOP, but IMO as it sits, it still feels like a bad idea to split it at this time.

Okay, I've just reviewed your list of proposed removals with the actual Starter Map List -- your list is longer than the actual maps on that list... So, I'm outsourcing this task -- attached is an .RAR file with the current starter_maps.txt file and the proposed removals in a file called RemoveTheseFromStarterMapsFile.py (don't ask why the .py, this touchscreen laptop is giving me hell) Whoever would like to take the initiative, you may recreate the starter_maps.txt file for VG ensuring no maps from the "Remove..." file are present. Upload it here and I will put it into place on the server. Select New Start Maps.rar

We need to get on the same page with terminology / nomenclature ... Seed/Starting Map List: Maps that seed well for starter maps (see notes above, should bleed last flag, etc.) Standard Rotation Map List: Maps not suited for Seeding/Starting and will appear in-game rotation Blacklist: Maps we have disabled and will not appear in-game as a rotation option ever. If I assume what you mean, I would put all those maps you listed on the "Standard Rotation Map List" and NOT the Blacklist, as the blacklist is disabled maps we will not be playing. Am I correct?

So...... No answer??

Awesome, man! Why the thousand watt PSU? Gonna add a few more of those Pascal's or something?

That is quite a lot of maps..... All those need to be removed from the map list randomizer and placed on the blacklist? Or do you mean simply remove them from the seeder/starter rotation and place them in standard rotation?

Done and done (but no one replied about the question: did we put Muttrah 128 on disabled after report that shit wouldn't work? for that reason, it remains on the disabled list until I get answer). Gotta go. Have a wonderful weekend! Will check back in case needed.

That will do - each member group can be part of the filter in Advanced Search under Members.... But that would be if you're trying to see all that info about all the different groups and members at VG.... If you just wanted to check a list of only officially tagged VG Members, Moderators, and PR Admins, just click on the Staff link instead of Members... Here's a lazy link: http://veterans-gaming.com/index.php?/staff/

These are the entries we have for the maps you noted -- are the INF layers the 16's? Wanted to verify before removing maps from the list willy-nilly: mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 16 mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 32 mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 64 mapList.append khamisiyah gpm_coop 128 mapList.append pavlovsk_bay gpm_coop 16 mapList.append pavlovsk_bay gpm_coop 32 mapList.append pavlovsk_bay gpm_coop 64 TO CLARIFY: Should we remove Sbeneh maps? If so, which ones (be specific please)? *By remove, I mean put in standard rotation, and not starting/seeding rotations Also I thought we purposefully added Muttrah 128 to the disabled list after a report of issues with it two weeks ago? Busy packing for my trip, just taking a quick break otherwise I'd look into it further.

If you're talking in-game in PR, that has been a feature since the beginning - so people didn't have to make a new name when joining a clan, they put in a field specifically for tags separate from the username space. Surprised you didn't notice until now, you've played PR for a few minutes now... As far as people putting on false VG tags, sometimes it's someone messing around and deserving a warn and/or kick, but other times it is legitimately a brand new player (or even brand new to PC gaming in general) and is misunderstanding the concept. That was the case with Wooz, who went on to actually become a real member over time - so be sure you're understanding and giving the benefit of the doubt. Some are new, some are dumb, some are smart but just don't "get it" yet. Kindly explain it to them and welcome everyone you see who isn't a giant asshole. *edit: If you are talking about the website, that's just our extended username field which unlike most websites, allows special characters AND spaces.

Yea, that's how that happens. Impatience is paid back in data loss. Today you learned that an OS installation is specific to a motherboard, and any vast changes while the OS drive is removed from that motherboard will null and void the OS install. Good tip, if one can afford it, when upgrading PC's, keep the old hard drive separate and buy a new one for the new PC -- then install the old HDD into the new system as a secondary drive. Over time, once you pull all your data off the old drive, you can then re-format it for more space (deleting the WinOS files) with no data loss. Wish I could have told you that last week... I feel for ya, bro! It happened to me once way back when I deleted the MBR from my data drive by accidentally adding it to the RAID array - when I took it back out realizing what I did, none of the data was accessible due to the master boot record being wiped. All the data was still there, that was the most frustrating part. *On that note, there are tools to recover data from a formatted drive, but they can get expensive (or free but very risky or shady)

....so, basically, this means that:

If it makes anyone feel better, there will likely be no COOP mode for this WW2 stuff - at release, anyway - because no one wants to do the navmesh for all those new maps. So, sadly, unless someone steps up and gets cracking a little faster than a map a month, PR WW2 COOP will be a long way off....

I assume you were equally unhappy when PR Vietnam was incorporated into standard PR? I think it's a smart idea: rather than split the community through 3 different war mods, they're all in one and just dictated by the maplist choices of any given server. So, if there were numbers like the old days, someone could run a WW2 only, or Vietnam only server - or just play the cool maps they like, now and then, alongside normal PR. Well... you can make some people happy all of the time, and all people happy some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time.

mapList.append muttrah_city_2 gpm_coop 128 mapList.append kashan_desert gpm_coop 128 mapList.append karbala gpm_coop 16

We've fixed the encoding issue and it's back in action. We can make revisions as needed moving forward, and of course, take any map that is reported to be broken and place it on the Exclusions list - just let us know!